I'll just go ahead and remove kiriko from Skype now then and save her the trouble
wont be the first time I stop talking to someone
not even the first time I stop speaking to kiriko
expecting everyone to get along with everyone is an unrealistic goal and you're setting yourself up to be disappointed—conflict breeds creativity and people are at their most productive when there are obstacles to overcome
What kind of adults do you expect to grow up into when you buckle at the least bit of opposition?
Post by Souta Suzuki on Aug 30, 2015 9:44:24 GMT -5
On a writing site, the conflict shouldn't have to be OOC.
We shouldn't have to drag ourselves onto the site.
We shouldn't have people we instantly think of when we think "Man, who makes BG just a worse place overall?"
The conflict on the site should be in our plots.
People -CAN- get a long without being massive dicks to eachother. Guess what? Just because you don't like someone, doesn't mean you have to be an asshole. Do it like Naz does. Ignore them. Move the fuck along. Don't make everything worse for everyone because you don't like someone.
I'll just go ahead and remove kiriko from Skype now then and save her the troublewont be the first time I stop talking to someonenot even the first time I stop speaking to kirikoexpecting everyone to get along with everyone is an unrealistic goal and you're setting yourself up to be disappointed—conflict breeds creativity and people are at their most productive when there are obstacles to overcomeWhat kind of adults do you expect to grow up into when you buckle at the least bit of opposition?
I don't disagree with this in a lot of areas. But bg isn't real life. And a lot of people have pretty bad lives (not me, I'm just ill equipped.). So bg is their brief little vacation from real life. Their momentary reprieve from those kinds of obstacles.
It's a completely unrealistic thing to want, but you can't help wanting it. Bg would never be perfect. I was just hoping to shoot for better.
if people have bad lives it's up to them to make them better
there's no such thing as a life—in the socioeconomic sense—beyond saving, but you have to be prepared to fight for it. If you give up immediately then quite frankly you deserve everything you get, and if your life sucks then I really can't put it any more bluntly than this:
you aren't trying hard enough
This attitude was drilled into me since I was born and while I suffer the same setbacks as everyone else, I power through because that is what my parents and grandparents before them did. Life isn't exactly what I would consider a gift but if you believe in any sort of human agency then you would do well not to squander the one chance you've got on this earth.
BG isn't real life. It's also not counseling for depressed teenagers. If you see BG as some sort of vacation from a life you fucking hate, there will always be someone there to remind you that escapism accomplishes nothing whatsoever.
At the risk of channeling Shia Leboeuf, get out there and fix your life if it sucks so damn much
Not going to address a lot of that because there's just no point. It's a fundamental difference in opinion. Though your view on life is a lot more... poetic than I expected.
But personally I feel small doses of escapism do help sometimes. It's like rest, to build up your strength.
I don't exactly believe that life has any intrinsic value (rofl talk about skewed supply and demand amirite) but it's up to each and everyone one of us to make something out of the opportunity we've been given
we are all free agents
with a family that's lived through the holocaust, abject poverty, a life of crime and prison sentences, my stance isn't exactly unusual: when life gets tough, the tough get going.
Whining about it on an internet forum is fucking pathetic.
Must be that time of the year again, the one of a few occasions where I'm allowed to agree with Kyou lol
Multiple deaths, gang issues, drug problems, he and I know that crucial truth baby; life starts beating on you, you had better at least try to beat back.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Aug 30, 2015 14:00:38 GMT -5
maybe we live in different worlds, but this is an online internet anime roleplaying site. to me, the cost of avoiding conflict is literally the slimmest amount of compromise that I can imagine. far less than the compromise needed to get by day to day. unless you go around axing everyone in your life who takes even the slightest bit of effort on your part to get along with? simple things like empathy and literally NOT doing things. like it's sub-effort. it's literally not going out of your way 9/10 times.
'grow a thicker skin' is among the laziest attitudes when dealing with something like this, it's childish. how about be mindful of how people may be effected by what you do. is that a hard thing? I don't get why it's a hard thing. i thought everyone learned this in school at early ages. is it really that taxing?
the greater point of why is that if takes you almost no effort to have a large positive impact, or avoid a larger negative impact on someone, why WOULDN'T you? do other people matter so little : S?
Jian, at this point we have to accept that some people straight out do not want to be nice.
The internet offers them enough freedom to do and say whatever they want and that's exactly what they will do. Here on BG, we have the opportunity to take their freedom by punishing them for what they did, and at this point it's the best thing we can do.
Begging for people to be kind and show humaneness is an unrealisable thing to ask for online these days. Unfortunately. :/
(I'm not being pessimistic! I'm a realist.)
this ain't for the best my reputation's never been worse, so you must like me for me we can't make any promises now, can we, babe?
maybe we live in different worlds, but this is an online internet anime roleplaying site. to me, the cost of avoiding conflict is literally the slimmest amount of compromise that I can imagine. far less than the compromise needed to get by day to day. unless you go around axing everyone in your life who takes even the slightest bit of effort on your part to get along with? simple things like empathy and literally NOT doing things. like it's sub-effort. it's literally not going out of your way 9/10 times.
'grow a thicker skin' is among the laziest attitudes when dealing with something like this, it's childish. how about be mindful of how people may be effected by what you do. is that a hard thing? I don't get why it's a hard thing. i thought everyone learned this in school at early ages. is it really that taxing?
the greater point of why is that if takes you almost no effort to have a large positive impact, or avoid a larger negative impact on someone, why WOULDN'T you? do other people matter so little : S?
idk jian
depends
I'm pretty sure I'm still gonna say "grow a thicker skin" if I feel like the person is just being a bitch and being a colossal complainwhore, rather than someone who's actually offended/hurt by something someone did.
Arty: "If Lyv was a drink, I imagine she'd taste like vodka and skittles"
Post by Jian Oreachi on Aug 30, 2015 14:23:29 GMT -5
for sure, but someone claiming offense over nothing isn't really what I'm talking about. the point isn't to be ruled by the sensitivities of others, but to find a comfortable middle ground, not to LIKE each other because lord help me we can't, but to at least co-exist peacefully.
Post by Allessandra Aizawa on Aug 30, 2015 14:23:30 GMT -5
Except when you have a community that can be and should be closely moderated like BG. Then you no longer have to beg. Dont want to behave and act like a decent human being? Get introduced to the banhammer.
The thing to remember is that choosing to post in a thread is your choice. If everything you've contributed to someone's discussion promotes hostility, that in and of itself will be your perceived intention. And continuing to do so, without contributing positively to the community, will over time make you an enemy of the community. If you don't understand that overt hostility breeds resentment, your better off keeping it to yourself and staying away from a majority that hates you. Even if you only have an exclusive set of friends here you get along with, odds are your hurting them too by driving people away that they might want to write with.
The most horrible part about this drama is watching sets of people I like hurt each other.
And if you don't care? Then prove your apathy. You don't have to be nice. Just shut up.
And if you don't care? Then prove your apathy. You don't have to be nice. Just shut up.
Can I get back to writing yet?
That last line sums up my feelings very well. This drama is killing everyone's muse. ~.~ I think at some point, most people would just like to leave this shit behind, but they'd miss their characters and the amazing writers here too much. I hope we can get this all solved quickly and these dramas won't break out every 3 months now. It's exhausting for everyone. x.x -le sigh-
this ain't for the best my reputation's never been worse, so you must like me for me we can't make any promises now, can we, babe?