Post by Hazuki Tsukimiya on Dec 7, 2017 9:55:26 GMT -5
And I told you earlier: it’s very unlikely anyone will actually hold you to that restriction as it’s purely flavorful. Evelynn sent a Black Coffin Hazuki’s way shortly before her death but it was purely for dramatic effect—Byakurai would have done the job just as well.
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Post by Caspar Berg on Dec 7, 2017 10:19:47 GMT -5
So do you see the confusion.
I get people wanting to RP what they want and not be "restricted" but without any restrictions, ranks, skills, techs, releases, everything like that becomes almost completely worthless. There needs to be a set or rules that one can go back to when in doubt and without real specifics, everything is possible (which is not a good thing).
Post by Hazuki Tsukimiya on Dec 7, 2017 10:23:45 GMT -5
I'm still not seeing how anything becomes worthless, or indeed the point of your argument if there is one at all.
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Post by Shun Minamoto on Dec 7, 2017 10:23:58 GMT -5
You definitely won't find a lot of argument from me.
There's a balance to be struck between looseness and fairness. Part of fairness is having something at least a little concrete that people can fall back on. An argument can be made that not only have things become too muddled with uncertainty, but also perhaps that they're actually too loose as it is.
I agree with your sentiment, in short.
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I get people wanting to RP what they want and not be "restricted" but without any restrictions, ranks, skills, techs, releases, everything like that becomes almost completely worthless. There needs to be a set or rules that one can go back to when in doubt and without real specifics, everything is possible (which is not a good thing).
I think part of your issue is that you fundementally misunderstand how people use this site. Much of the time, technical aspects of combat and rp are ignored for the sake of a more flavorful thread. The rules pages should be ammended to state that these are guidelines, yes, but regardless, this is a site based on creativity. If you want rigid turn based bullshit, go to platinum hearts.
Post by Hazuki Tsukimiya on Dec 7, 2017 13:43:57 GMT -5
I think what kirito is trying to convey is that the rules are there for when people can't agree on things, but if two people threading together are okay with taking a few liberties for the sake of the story they're telling together, it's maybe not so fun to have some rando dude roll up and go "NUH-UH YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SKILL AT A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL TO DO THAT"
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I think what kirito is trying to convey is that the rules are there for when people can't agree on things, but if two people threading together are okay with taking a few liberties for the sake of the story they're telling together, it's maybe not so fun to have some rando dude roll up and go "NUH-UH YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SKILL AT A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL TO DO THAT"
I think what kirito is trying to convey is that the rules are there for when people can't agree on things, but if two people threading together are okay with taking a few liberties for the sake of the story they're telling together, it's maybe not so fun to have some rando dude roll up and go "NUH-UH YOU DON'T HAVE THAT SKILL AT A HIGH ENOUGH LEVEL TO DO THAT"
How is that even remotely logical. If you're unable to write without having every single ability and skill at your disposal to get out of a situation, that just says something about your ability as a writer and has nothing to do with "taking a few liberties for the sake of the story".
Post by Hazuki Tsukimiya on Dec 8, 2017 6:53:14 GMT -5
because believe it or not, bleach gotei is not a pvp-centric battle RP
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Post by Shun Minamoto on Dec 8, 2017 8:38:48 GMT -5
Caspar, I think you're having trouble because you're taking Hazuki's words a few magnitudes too far.
For instance, Hazuki never said anything about everyone having every skill and ability at their disposal. Hazuki did say that we don't have 1984-esque thread police that barge in when their opinion is that you used your Novice Zanjutsu in a way that only a Journeyman should, in a thread with all parties already consenting to what you've done. There's no reason to interfere with consenting players in a collaborative storytelling environment.
Hazuki also never said that we don't have PvP elements. Hazuki said that Bleach Gotei is not PvP-centric (a very far cry from no PvP) and not built for true PvP. There's nothing competitive about our environment at all. Collaborative storytelling, as I just brought up, pivots upon the axis of collaboration. You cannot have collaboration without consent. At their absolute best, which they do not always achieve and I do want to improve, our mechanics are meant to resolve most disagreements between players about what their characters are capable of relative to one another. They do not provide a framework for a competitive gaming experience.
I hope this clears up the gap in what you're replying to, and what Hazuki actually said.
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Post by Hazuki Tsukimiya on Dec 8, 2017 9:59:27 GMT -5
With that turboautism out of the way perhaps we can return to the original purpose of this thread
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Could you please nerf the excessive crumbs from this chocolate bar?
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Although may be entirely irrelevant to this thread, but would we have an official ruling on customs and what not on the forums? I know there had been a official ruling on the pinned #newplayers channel in discord, but none other than the heads up from this forums.