I see the requisite bi-annual "ban Kyousuke" thread has finally reared its ugly head. How nostalgic.
Allow me, then, to give my minor and probably going to be ignored opinion- Kyousuke does not deserve to be permanently banned from BG.
Gasp. Shock. The horror of it all.
Allow me to elucidate; Kyou is, in my opinion, an asshole. He's a dick to basically everyone about basically everything, and I don't like him at all. Yet I don't think he deserves to be banned, for one simple reason- his presence on BG is minimal at best, and his ability to do any of the things he used to do is gone.
He can't get on chat. He's only allowed to post in meta, IC topics, or requests. He is, to be quite honest, no longer the big Boogeyman of BG who will troll you into oblivion.
Is he still an ass? Yes. Has he done or can he do anything that would facilitate a permanent ban? No.
I think perhaps some people (looking at you Eaon) ought to learn to let go of old grudges and move on.
As for everyone else here? You bring up valid points; maybe we, as a community, can discuss them after the lunacy dies down.
Last Edit: Jan 31, 2017 21:44:05 GMT -5 by Mei Rowan
I've been completely transparent about what was done. Kyousuke violated his chat ban and Salmon issued a 7 day temporary site ban.
He is not going to be permanently banned for this.
Permanent ban is not a fair punishment for violating a chat ban.
I determine what justifies a permanent ban, and this is not that.
Salmon enforced the rules by banning him for 7 days.
That's all the further the rules require enforcing at this time.
You make a thread about transparency under this pretense of better communication and then immediately drop it to crusade to ban Kyousuke. If you're not going to be honest with your intentions what good are you exactly?
its not really though, because the two are linked.
Lots of people think that staff plays favorites. When we see Staff knock his app on Otto and then still give him a perfect score it raises questions. When he gets a 7 day ban for evading another Ban after a history of going out of his way to piss people off, it goes beyond questioning to proof.
Where exactly is the transparency on staff? Somewhere between "We're going to ignore players who want him gone and also choose to bend/ignore our rules entirely for this one particular person." If someone submits a complain we have Hero_Shun running in to defend him. If we say staff should do something about it, you bend over backwards trying to find some reason to NOT do so. Have you talked to your Quincy? They legit feel like he made a Quincy specifically to derail them OOCly and interfere with their plotline which is actually pretty interesting right now.
What exactly do you say to the claims that you're playing favorites? Because it looks a lot like you are. What exactly do you say to people who've had their requests and characters picked apart to see the same happen to Otto and yet he still gets a perfect score? What exactly do you say to people who've received punishments and bans, only to see Kyou after years get basically nothing.
Kyou not being banned is the most perfect point for the argument that staff's not transparent and plays favorites, because if they weren't, clearly he wouldn't be here, clearly he wouldn't get perfect scores, and clearly the lot of them wouldn't feel this way.
Again, what exactly are you doing, because from the outside looking in, it looks like you push updates and then close your eyes and ears and pretend the rest of it isn't there at best, and at worst, it looks as though you're compliant with the worst of it.
If the Quincy are upset at him making a Quincy and wanting to interact with their plot then the answer is simple.
Don't thread with him.
Or maybe if he breaks a fuck load of rules, violates various bans, and is currently living with 2 bans one of which is a temporary site ban, if the player base don't like him, if he ain't gonna be able to contribute anyway, if he turns all the OOC discussions into meme threads, maybe the simple answer is BAN HIM.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Jan 31, 2017 16:26:31 GMT -5
I don't like him all that much. I don't support banning him, but it's also not a vote and won't ever be, so what do you want that isn't that? At school, mind my short response
his presence on BG is minimal at best, and his ability to do any of the things he used to do is gone.
Did you just call Kyou a low impact player?
I did, because he is.
Yes, his actions are taken rather seriously, but he's not that important when it comes to BG as a whole-wheat and, as Munin pointed out, you are free to utterly ignore him and his plots if you so choose.
All he has is a big gp total- that doesn't make him a big player.
I don't like him all that much. I don't support banning him, but it's also not a vote and won't ever be, so what do you want that isn't that? At school, mind my short response
Probably results. I mean he clearly don't give a fuck about bans and if that's the case may as well give him one that lasts a little longer than it takes some of our active users to post.
Yes, his actions are taken rather seriously, but he's not that important when it comes to BG as a whole-wheat and, as Munin pointed out, you are free to utterly ignore him and his plots if you so choose.
All he has is a big gp total- that doesn't make him a big player.
Insert something about thread invasions here --and ripples...
Yes, his actions are taken rather seriously, but he's not that important when it comes to BG as a whole-wheat and, as Munin pointed out, you are free to utterly ignore him and his plots if you so choose.
All he has is a big gp total- that doesn't make him a big player.
*casually glances over at Hazuki* I think you need to re-evaluate your opinion, or get your eyes checked.
If the Quincy are upset at him making a Quincy and wanting to interact with their plot then the answer is simple.
Don't thread with him.
Or maybe if he breaks a fuck load of rules, violates various bans, and is currently living with 2 bans one of which is a temporary site ban, if the player base don't like him, if he ain't gonna be able to contribute anyway, if he turns all the OOC discussions into meme threads, maybe the simple answer is BAN HIM.
Honestly, I don't give two shits about Kyousuuke. You can have your debates about banning him or not, I don't really care one way or the other.
I come here to write and advance my story. That's it. If he gets banned, oh well. If he doesn't, then oh well.
Aside from that, it's not my place to advocate for or against a ban for Kyousuuke. That's Staff's purview, and I don't want to give myself that sort of stress debating whether or not people should be banned or what people's grades should be or whatever other shit. I get enough stress going through university that I don't want to shoulder the additional stress of dealing with all of this.
its not really though, because the two are linked.
Lots of people think that staff plays favorites. When we see Staff knock his app on Otto and then still give him a perfect score it raises questions. When he gets a 7 day ban for evading another Ban after a history of going out of his way to piss people off, it goes beyond questioning to proof.
Where exactly is the transparency on staff? Somewhere between "We're going to ignore players who want him gone and also choose to bend/ignore our rules entirely for this one particular person." If someone submits a complain we have Hero_Shun running in to defend him. If we say staff should do something about it, you bend over backwards trying to find some reason to NOT do so. Have you talked to your Quincy? They legit feel like he made a Quincy specifically to derail them OOCly and interfere with their plotline which is actually pretty interesting right now.
What exactly do you say to the claims that you're playing favorites? Because it looks a lot like you are. What exactly do you say to people who've had their requests and characters picked apart to see the same happen to Otto and yet he still gets a perfect score? What exactly do you say to people who've received punishments and bans, only to see Kyou after years get basically nothing.
Kyou not being banned is the most perfect point for the argument that staff's not transparent and plays favorites, because if they weren't, clearly he wouldn't be here, clearly he wouldn't get perfect scores, and clearly the lot of them wouldn't feel this way.
Again, what exactly are you doing, because from the outside looking in, it looks like you push updates and then close your eyes and ears and pretend the rest of it isn't there at best, and at worst, it looks as though you're compliant with the worst of it.
We've covered the score thing to death, and I stand by my statement earlier that if he met the checklist to the satisfaction of the grader, then that's his grade. It's fine if you disagree that he didn't meet the checklist, and I'd encourage you to take that up in a separate issue. Things can be graded well while not being memorable or being good. People can score very high on tests but retain jackshit. If you feel standards on grading are bad or wrong, we need to make that a separate discussion, or you need to join the App Team and make your voice heard in practice.
I am not ignoring players that want Kyousuke gone. I hear you, I hear all of you. Again, my answer is 'no' as it has been. Not without an appropriate inciting incident, will I permanently ban -anyone-. If you want to see if I am playing favorites, I guess you'll have to do something worthy of a permanent ban and see if I do it? I'm not sure what to tell you. Who have we permanently banned in the last two or three years that could contest this theory? Only two people: Colin and Aryae/Danielle. Let's not get into that (I didnt ban Colin anyway, that was Robert)
I am applying my standard universally. You just disagree with it.
You can ask me any question you want, and I will be as transparent as I can.
There is difference between honesty and simply not getting your way.
I am being honest, you are not getting your way, and now you are trying to call me dishonest.
Please stop.
Last Edit: Jan 31, 2017 16:36:34 GMT -5 by Consequence
Make a giant surveillance system which no one bothers to worry about because it's irrelevant?
Make some nebulous new group that hasn't done anything but stir up people's fears (without a single IC action taken)?
Beat up Miyuki?
As I said- just because he has a lot of GP doesn't mean he has a lot of impact on anyone else's plot. He can only do what you let him get away with.
So, of you don't want him to ruin your plot? Just ignore him.
And as for thread invasions- if he ever actually tries to pk someone without their permission Toki would shoot it down almost instantly. He's done it in the past; he'll do it again.
Yes, his actions are taken rather seriously, but he's not that important when it comes to BG as a whole-wheat and, as Munin pointed out, you are free to utterly ignore him and his plots if you so choose.
All he has is a big gp total- that doesn't make him a big player.
*casually glances over at Hazuki* I think you need to re-evaluate your opinion, or get your eyes checked.
I believe the issues stemmed from Bri saying in her grade that things were "not perfect", but then awarding maximum score. This is a problem that the person who brought it up more or less retracted once they learned more about the process.
But it's now being used for whatever you'd like to call this.
Last Edit: Jan 31, 2017 16:49:56 GMT -5 by Consequence