Ugh we are all thinking it. If he isn't banned for the shit that he has done, how are we as a member base to respect the rules staff has written? On top of that; It's been said many times over that he will NEVER be banned, or that's not enough to be permanently banned --so with that in mind, what is ENOUGH?
Well in any case this is the point I was proving. Staff won't do anything. They also can't defend anything. Aside from Shun and Tokiyo's classic inconsistency is there any other real reason they wont enforce their rules?
This was the point of this thread, the lesson if you will. The point was to say that while yes it is nice to see staff rolling out updates, that isn't what's wanted. The thing people want addressed, the problems people have aren't getting talked about either because it becomes a meme based shit show that shuts the conversation down, or staff in their glory shuts it down. It works great in that cycle though because what ends up happening is Staff can then hide behind the wall of "Well if they're upset, why don't they say something?" and then when they say something "We've talked this to death and we don't work this way." and shut it down.
Again, I ask, What good even are you? I'm not asking for me because I don't frankly give a damn, I know outside of requests and critique staff is basically useless, but for those who still like to think staff gives a shit about them or their characters or their experience, what good are you to them?
Ugh we are all thinking it. If he isn't banned for the shit that he has done, how are we as a member base to respect the rules staff has written? On top of that; It's been said many times over that he will NEVER be banned, or that's not enough to be permanently banned --so with that in mind, what is ENOUGH?
can I edit my own stats too?
Christ, leave Kyou alone! All he's ever been to me and many other people is nice! He's stubborn, and can be a dick, but he only does it for fun! When did he ever hurt any of you? Like, seriously?
Post by Consequence on Jan 31, 2017 18:58:09 GMT -5
You keep talking about this whole "Otto's score thing has been talked to death." which is again proving my point. You fail to see the issues with it people are having. The issues people are having is they feel staff plays favorites with Kyou, which, let's be honest, there's some pretty strong evidence that they do. You say "Oh well look at our guidelines that he followed so we gave him a perfect score even though we felt personally it wasn't a perfect app." well to me I say, that is favoritism.
You're literally ignoring all logic and evidence and saying, no matter what I say, that you will not believe me.
Go show me someone who met every checkmark and did not get a full score.
Go show me someone who missed checkmarks and still got a full score.
Unless you can do that, honest to god, shut the fuck up about favoritism. You have literally no evidence in even the faintest notion of the word except "I think it is".
Show me where he was systemically favored in his grade over anyone else on the site or we're done here.
Also, you are, absolutely ignoring that what I'm willing to bet is the vast majority of players want Kyou gone.
No, I'm really truly not. You keep telling me what I am and am not ignoring. I'm really truly not ignoring this, I just don't care who you do and do not want banned. Right now, I want you banned for being one of the most obstinate people I've ever met but you're still here talking. I don't do things arbitrarily, I don't do things spitefully, I don't do things emotionally. I do them objectively. You don't objectively deserved to be banned, and Kyousuke doesn't objectively deserve a permanent ban and no amount of "BUT I WANT HIM GONE" will change that.
If what Kyou did and hasn't done isn't worthy of anything, then why the fuck is he banned at all? If you felt so strongly about all the shit he's done over the years, the shit he's said, the rules he's violated, the bans he's skirted that you were willing to put up a whole week long ban, then why the fuck don't you, staff, have the balls to commit fully and take it all the way?
By this logic, if I've ever moderated your post then I should just skip a few steps and ban you.
I really don't know how to get through to you, dude. You seem to willfully repel reality and it's getting really tiresome. I won't be banning anyone because you feel they deserve it. I'll ban them when I feel that way.
Last Edit: Jan 31, 2017 19:03:31 GMT -5 by Consequence
Well in any case this is the point I was proving. Staff won't do anything. They also can't defend anything. Aside from Shun and Tokiyo's classic inconsistency is there any other real reason they wont enforce their rules.
This was the point of this thread, the lesson if you will. The point was to say that while yes it is nice to see staff rolling out updates, that isn't what's wanted. The thing people want addressed, the problems people have aren't getting talked about either because it becomes a meme based shit show that shuts the conversation down, or staff in their glory shuts it down. It works great in that cycle though because what ends up happening is Staff can then hide behind the wall of "Well if they're upset, why don't they say something?" and then when they say something "We've talked this to death and we don't work this way." and shut it down.
Again, I ask, What good even are you? I'm not asking for me because I don't frankly give a damn, I know outside of requests and critique staff is basically useless, but for those who still like to think staff gives a shit about them or their characters or their experience, what good are you to them?
I'm saddened reading this. What good are we? Every single player runs the site just as much as the staff does! There is no kingdom without it's subjects, no community without people! If the staff wants to deal with things their way, so be it! We have been provided with an excellent roleplay community, so obviously they've been doing fine!
Ugh we are all thinking it. If he isn't banned for the shit that he has done, how are we as a member base to respect the rules staff has written? On top of that; It's been said many times over that he will NEVER be banned, or that's not enough to be permanently banned --so with that in mind, what is ENOUGH?
can I edit my own stats too?
Christ, leave Kyou alone! All he's ever been to me and many other people is nice! He's stubborn, and can be a dick, but he only does it for fun! When did he ever hurt any of you? Like, seriously?
Post by Shun Minamoto on Jan 31, 2017 19:03:02 GMT -5
You know, this is a fun question.
Besides being mean to people -- which more than a few people here are, in spades -- what actually has he done?
I keep seeing this meme about how he brings in his other characters to help his alts.
...But he never really played an alt for any length of time?
People say he drives "tons" of members away, buy I've got the world record for that and no one's asking to ban me. Still waiting on that, it's cute. I can't wait for the messages saying, "well yeah Shun but you're tame that's what really matters, not the things you actually did"
It was asked earlier, and conveniently ignored, but what are his crimes? Can we see links to exact things? Can someone show me a thread where Knowledge showed up and killed a character because they were mean to Hazuki?
We go around and around with this, and the result is the same time and time again. It'll probably happen until the heat death of the universe.
So I'm going to lay this out nice and simple.
You're all free people.
If you don't like a product, don't buy. You aren't forced to play here, and if Tokiyo not doing what you want him to do is a dealbreaker for you, well, you know where the door is.
Or sack up, take action, and try to steal the website from him.
Those are really your only two options, if you fail to convince him to see things your way.
You're literally ignoring all logic and evidence and saying, no matter what I say, that you will not believe me.
No, I'm really truly not. You keep telling me what I am and am not ignoring. I'm really truly not ignoring this, I just don't care who you do and do not want banned. Right now, I want you banned for being one of the most obstinate people I've ever met but you're still here talking. I don't do things arbitrarily, I don't do things spitefully, I don't do things emotionally. I do them objectively. You don't objectively deserved to be banned, and Kyousuke doesn't objectively deserve a permanent ban and no amount of "BUT I WANT HIM GONE" will change that.
By this logic, if I've ever moderated your post then I should just skip a few steps and ban you.
I really don't know how to get through to you, dude. You seem to willfully repel reality and it's getting really tiresome. I won't be banning anyone because you feel they deserve it. I'll ban them when I feel that way.
You literally haven't provided any.
You can't prove you aren't ignoring anything or at least remain unwilling to do so. And you might want to ban me, but right now, at this moment, Batsie you can't ban good ol' Uncle J because if you pull the trigger you prove my point. You win the fight, but I'll win the argument. Kyousake more than anyone objectively deserves to be banned.
You Tokiyo Fujikagi as a total and utter failure of your position can provide zero evidence you've ever done anything worth while to actually enforce your rules. You have stated though that if you enforced the CoC then all of us but you, Salmon, and Bri would be banned. Odd you should say that because aside from Salmon I've heard scathing criticisms about the other two. Everything from playing favorites to metagaming. So prove it, take a stand, the way I see it you really have three choices. Ban Kyou for breaking the rules proving they matter. Unban him stating once and for all that they don't and that includes a chat ban I want to see him in BG Chat if that's the case, or break down admit defeat and ban me because even in my own ban, I win.
I really don't know how to get through to you, dude. You seem to willfully repel reality and it's getting really tiresome. I won't be banning anyone because you feel they deserve it. I'll ban them when I feel that way.
You literally haven't provided any.
You can't prove you aren't ignoring anything or at least remain unwilling to do so. And you might want to ban me, but right now, at this moment, Batsie you can't ban good ol' Uncle J because if you pull the trigger you prove my point. You win the fight, but I'll win the argument. Kyousake more than anyone objectively deserves to be banned.
You Tokiyo Fujikagi as a total and utter failure of your position can provide zero evidence you've ever done anything worth while to actually enforce your rules. You have stated though that if you enforced the CoC then all of us but you, Salmon, and Bri would be banned. Odd you should say that because aside from Salmon I've heard scathing criticisms about the other two. Everything from playing favorites to metagaming. So prove it, take a stand, the way I see it you really have three choices. Ban Kyou for breaking the rules proving they matter. Unban him stating once and for all that they don't and that includes a chat ban I want to see him in BG Chat if that's the case, or break down admit defeat and ban me because even in my own ban, I win.
You're a fucking idiot.
You can't prove you aren't ignoring anything or at least remain unwilling to do so.
Besides being mean to people -- which more than a few people here are, in spades -- what actually has he done?
I keep seeing this meme about how he brings in his other characters to help his alts.
...But he never really played an alt for any length of time?
People say he drives "tons" of members away, buy I've got the world record for that and no one's asking to ban me. Still waiting on that, it's cute. I can't wait for the messages saying, "well yeah Shun but you're tame that's what really matters, not the things you actually did"
It was asked earlier, and conveniently ignored, but what are his crimes? Can we see links to exact things? Can someone show me a thread where Knowledge showed up and killed a character because they were mean to Hazuki?
We go around and around with this, and the result is the same time and time again. It'll probably happen until the heat death of the universe.
So I'm going to lay this out nice and simple.
You're all free people.
If you don't like a product, don't buy. You aren't forced to play here, and if Tokiyo not doing what you want him to do is a dealbreaker for you, well, you know where the door is.
Or sack up, take action, and try to steal the website from him.
Those are really your only two options, if you fail to convince him to see things your way.
That feel when, once again, the thing I said five pages ago is brought up as the reasonable solution.
You can't prove you aren't ignoring anything or at least remain unwilling to do so. And you might want to ban me, but right now, at this moment, Batsie you can't ban good ol' Uncle J because if you pull the trigger you prove my point. You win the fight, but I'll win the argument. Kyousake more than anyone objectively deserves to be banned.
You Tokiyo Fujikagi as a total and utter failure of your position can provide zero evidence you've ever done anything worth while to actually enforce your rules. You have stated though that if you enforced the CoC then all of us but you, Salmon, and Bri would be banned. Odd you should say that because aside from Salmon I've heard scathing criticisms about the other two. Everything from playing favorites to metagaming. So prove it, take a stand, the way I see it you really have three choices. Ban Kyou for breaking the rules proving they matter. Unban him stating once and for all that they don't and that includes a chat ban I want to see him in BG Chat if that's the case, or break down admit defeat and ban me because even in my own ban, I win.
You realize you're asking me to prove a negative, right? You're asking me to prove that I am not doing something.