Post by Shun Minamoto on Mar 16, 2015 21:12:32 GMT -5
I agree with you completely, Jian. I think that possibility is there and that's why I wanted to open Mortals up so more people can join your club.
But I also thinl a "warning sign" in the form of needing to ask for it first, to give it some thought, is a prudent step. You already agree that there's a problem there, so I'm hoping you can see why it's rational to put a speed bump in front of it.
Yet Minor Races and the way you're wording it makes it sound like you're barring the path rather than slapping the warning signs up. Dew has a point in that, and honestly I'm ok with a rename, it just needs to be a rename that doesn't make people think the race sucks and another should be played. Their own preconceived notions do that for them when it comes to this game.
You gutted the system publicly, reverted to using spirit/strength which was changed to move away from min-maxing, told people to do whatever but hey you can use the old system, said system would have no oversight or anyone to keep it up, and basically made the whole of it death by impotence. I have issues with statements you made in regards to them but I'm not certain how much of it is from personal perspective, yours, and how much is mine.
What actually bothers me? More than any one thing? Is that you three did this without any discussion whatsoever with anyone else. I specifically broached subjects of changes and how communication on staff as a whole, sucked. And suddenly I see a topic which spews a bunch of personal stances you, Tova, have taken in the past. Generally to the resistance of anyone but yourself.
My contribution was as a mechanic. So that's not there anymore. Even if it was I can't maintain it by myself, another thing that makes the whole "But you can still use it!" moot. This in specific makes me believe my issues with how things were done before aren't going to change and it will be more of this, if anything. That you piled it through secretly then announced it like this also means I can't trust you. I don't give my time to things where my expectation is that to do so would be pointless. I don't work with people I don't trust.
The Lord of Nightmares spoke to the God of Dreams, this small child or so he seemed, and bid him the question of his sins,
The premise of mechanics that has benefited BG, I think, is that you have a system out there that people can know and reference, even if they choose not to use it, that helps inform them of their own character's power, and how it stands up against someone else's. To that end, we're keeping both stats and skills, understanding in a general sense that "As I get more skilled, I can do more things more awesomely". Techniques, to that end, gave a grounded point for your flavor and what you can do, and a neat little check and balance against, "I teleport against every attack" or other unfair ways of playing. Which, if someone tried to do, is when someone can be called in to take a look at something and smack someone down.
Also, try to keep the retorts from being personal.
Warning people that it often can be difficult to get going, without truly making it needing to be requested, sounds like a much better idea for Mortals/Misc. Races.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Mar 16, 2015 21:14:07 GMT -5
I agree with you completely, Jian. I think that possibility is there and that's why I wanted to open Mortals up so more people can join your club.
But I also thinl a "warning sign" in the form of needing to ask for it first, to give it some thought, is a prudent step. You already agree that there's a problem there, so I'm hoping you can see why it's rational to put a speed bump in front of it.
For sure! I just think that same speed bump should be in techniques and powers beyond Mortals. But mortals are definitely the biggest problem case for that.
And I think I'll step back and say I don't have a problem with mortals doing whatever they want on a make believe roleplaying site, but I will back it up by fully accepting that it makes sense to promote a more cohesive universe/place to tell stories.
also spirit and strength is dumb. im being punished for having a mortal who punches, and then does rad things with punches :C
Post by Percivarre de Senganza on Mar 16, 2015 21:14:39 GMT -5
the issue with this site is that there are shinigami, hollow, quincy, and others
shinigami, hollow, and quincy have a fantastic dynamic. could you imagine a gotei 8, 10, 13, 15? and many more espada?! that would breed so much interesting storytelling
but what's happening is that the playerbase is being split, and there's just not enough players to make the storylines all that interesting
Double posting and it probably won't be a double post at the rate you guys are going.
Jian, Misc Races apparently doesn't sit well, and Mortals & Misc is too lengthy it seems, which is actually true when Prestige is thrown in front of it.
To be that guy though, Might I suggest.....
Let me get something to swallow and stomach this first.....
Advents as the new names for Mortals and the like? XD
Post by Jian Oreachi on Mar 16, 2015 21:16:25 GMT -5
Double posting and it probably won't be a double post at the rate you guys are going.
Jian, Misc Races apparently doesn't sit well, and Mortals & Misc is too lengthy it seems, which is actually true when Prestige is thrown in front of it.
To be that guy though, Might I suggest.....
Let me get something to swallow and stomach this first.....
Advents as the new names for Mortals and the like? XD
ey ey ey. don't lump me in with your rabble rousing
Post by Consequence on Mar 16, 2015 21:16:37 GMT -5
We have always really cared about flavor, that hasn't changed. We still need to Approve your power, and Approve your Custom Skills.
If your concern is about how you construct the presentation of your skillset, we are 100% going to continue helping with that and making sure everyone can do what they want to do, and expect to be able to do.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Mar 16, 2015 21:17:28 GMT -5
We have always really cared about flavor, that hasn't changed. We still need to Approve your power, and Approve your Custom Skills.
If your concern is about how you construct the presentation of your skillset, we are 100% going to continue helping with that and making sure everyone can do what they want to do, and expect to be able to do.
I just think techniques could use a quick glance, or we'll have the same problem I think? But that's something to be worked out.
The more generic the name the less its used in character.
The problem with "Advent" is the same problem I have with "Broken" and "Mortal". People label your character without knowing jack-shit about your character then back-pedal for reasons behind it.
Mortals are supposed to be "that weird fox thing" or "those weird girls without a soul" or "that vampire with a doll". The fact so many of us were immortals or undead or non-humans already made it a weird enough label. The more generic the better.
Seriously you think you guys would have learned with all the "Vaizards" we have that we can't call Vaizards.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Mar 16, 2015 21:20:19 GMT -5
hey just so you know if you could made your points without attacks they'd seem more legit, my eyes just kinda glaze over the first bits and see the next.
btw, good communities thrive due to open communication so w/e
hey just so you know if you could made your points without attacks they'd seem more legit, my eyes just kinda glaze over the first bits and see the next.
btw, good communities thrive due to open communication so w/e
I'm assuming Kyou posted and said something that I missed and this isn't directed at me or TK or even Tova/Shun?
Post by Tsutsugami Haruki on Mar 16, 2015 21:26:31 GMT -5
To those of you that seem to be unable to restrain yourselves, I'm going to suggest you take a step back and come back at a later date.
If you can't keep this discussion civil, and act responsibly, then you can carry your topic on to a PM or some other means of communication because it doesn't belong here.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Mar 16, 2015 21:28:19 GMT -5
pfft, so what I said then. (I'm sorry, you're right)
I don't agree with the changes, especially SPIRIT AND STRENGTH GAWSH I WANNA PUNCH THINGS SPIRITUALLY WHY DO YOU HATE ME
And maybe Other Races is a better name imo.
but hey we can all be buds and talk about it, because we're not 3 years old! sharing and caring etc.
RP Communities live and die on being able to talk to one another, I know. I've seen lots come and go. and I really like BG. So let's make it work huhn.
Post by Shun Minamoto on Mar 16, 2015 21:30:50 GMT -5
I would like to reinforce something, for everyone, on the subjects of stats and mechanics.
Bleach Gotei is not a game. It's a community place to write stories.
You're not competing, there's nothing to win or lose. Therefore, you shouldn't need to worry about min-maxing or anything of that, because none of it should have weight outside of what makes sense for you.
Write what feels right, always. This is the motto that has led to communities becoming much larger and more successful than we are, and we're already a titan in our field. We can do better and, I dare say, the vast majority of you already do this very thing.