STAFF WILL LOOK AT PUBLIC AND PRIVATE CHAT LOGS AT THEIR DISCRETION That being said, is it bad I'm waiting for that to happen to me? Probably. Except I don't care. :/
Anyway discuss more shit that's happened here
Also, add that red text shit in. Pls.
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I'd like to clarify on this point. Individuals with access to the ACP can read the last 6 months of chatroom logs and search them for key words, including messages sent privately in the chatroom. We do not casually read these, and the access is only used in relations to complaints such as those made against Colin Arascain of contributing to creating a harassing environment. I will look into adding a line somewhere in the rules stating that we have the ability to view these.
Can respect that. Out of curiosity though, what were the keywords that you used for Colin? And what do we tolerate as being "old chat messages" that are relevant and "Recent chat messages", I mean a person can change a lot in six months.
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That said, some of the logs used I was in and participated in the discussion of or was present for. Some were taken or clipped to be out of context in my opinion.
But I have one thing to say;
Tova. You know better than to do the personal feelings/belief shit in public even if it's been directed at you before. You certainly didn't appreciate it then and in your own words still don't now.
That should have been done privately and you know that.
Please remove that. It has literally no relevancy to the topic and only serves to disgard anything relevant into "in all actuality I don't like you/you make me uncomfortable as a person." and further villifies you-- something you and staff are trying to stop from happening.
THAT was a personal attack, however nicely worded it may look to be and disguised behind concern that does, as a result, come across as faked.
No matter how true you or others may believe it to be, it was uncalled for and unnecessary to say in public.
Post by Shun Minamoto on Sept 1, 2015 1:51:58 GMT -5
I am a person just like the rest of you. Colin has flown off the handle to defame my character and went so far as to call me a "greedy fucking sociopath".
No one, not a single person, ever asked for him to remove it. Not in Staff and certainly not to me personally. There was no call for that.
Every single time he has ever said something like that about me, it has never once been removed. It has never once even been requested. Where is the call to my defense from everyone who was around to see it at the time?
And you want me to remove mine?
That's how I feel. So with that said, despite those feelings:
You're entirely right. I'm big enough to do that, absolutely. Not a problem at all. I'll remove the bolded text right now, entirely, and everything below it. I'll preserve it for anyone who wants to throw it in my face later just so no one thinks I'm hiding from my own words. If you want to see it, or make sure it's unedited, just PM Jian or Robert.
It was wrong of me to post it despite the above listed slights against me by him personally. I am better than that historically and I failed to remain on the high road through the end. It was a personal and professional failure that has done nothing for anyone but upset a member, and other members, of the community. That's no victory and no personal expression of that nature, in supposed retribution for an unbalanced wrong, has a place in a public venue. Or, even, a private venue among emotionally mature individuals.
I could have chosen to let go and I did not.
That was an absolute, huge mistake that you may all give me appropriate lickings for. I do not expect Colin's forgiveness but, as I've just explained, I do genuinely acknowledge that I did wrong by him.
I didn't think he was right to say what he did either, and had I seen it, I would have done the same for you.
I have my disagreements with you and we'll likely clash even more-- but you don't deserve that anymore than he does.
I apologize for not having stuck up and said something. That will be corrected.
Double post and an apology due to mobile posting:
Looking back over the threads, there is a common denominator here that was not addressed that I think should have been.
To my knowledge, Colin is not asking for an apology from staff, Tokiyo in particular, for bringing to light his behavior and its affect.
What he was asking for was an apology for is the manner in which it appeared that he alone was named and singled out for being THE reason she left and the personal tone in which it was done in as something that was presented as an Official Staff Announcement.
(If I am wrong, I welcome the feedback and will correct myself accordingly.)
I spoke with Bri. I have other names of those who she felt bullied by-- and of those who did nothing and thus aided in the environment continuing and thus sharing equal blame as Colin and the other parties. The latter is something that has been beat to death and is being worked on-- as most of staff has acknowledged and as we are seeing progress being made on as we speak.
Rereading over Tokiyo's initial post and the following ones later on, and some of the others, there does feel like a personal tone of frustration and "you are on my last nerve" coloring much of it.
I can't fault you guys for being frustrated. I would be and have been in your shoes before. I am not unsympathetic, nor do I say you are entitely incorrect.
However; it could have been handled better and differently; I hope that's what you can take away from the above and will keep in mind moving forward.
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To note, I do remember, I am almost certain, a time during a staff discussion where someone used Autism as an insult, or it was perceived as an insult against you. And I can't remember for absolutely sure who it was that defended against that, and I can't double check because I'm not staff. But someone did. And you can.
EDIT: You'll also note that mine was a blanket statement and that I didn't ask anyone to apologize to anyone.
Yours was just the straw that broke the camel's back, if that's a phrase you'd like to use.
I've not been quiet about the fact that I have type two bipolar disorder when the discussion of mental illness comes up. I do not and will never approve of using it to insult or bully someone sully and I completely understand your reaction. I have no intentions of tolerating it being used to insult other users.
Post by Shun Minamoto on Sept 1, 2015 2:22:10 GMT -5
I had no intention of offending or bullying Colin with my observation and reasoning.
It was still inappropriate and I recognize that intent does not always equal result. That's part of why I apologized and removed it as per Kireon's completely fair and very called for request.
This was exactly my point, that's exactly what he thinks, and he isn't sorry. He will never be sorry.
But I see people upset and I am, genuinely, sorry. I took the exact action you asked of me.
That's why I'm up at 3AM and took a day off of work to deal with this. I have quite literally put my money where my mouth is because I do care.
The first statement can be said of you too though, given past statements and behaviors; that's why I called you out in the manner I did; to let you know that wasn't acceptable and that, whether or not people believe it to be genuine, an apology was necessary.
I don't want reasons behind why or anything; just do the right thing and let that be the end of it.
Thank you, by the way, for taking ownership and responsibility. I appreciate that and respect you for doing so. If you find me insincere, you can confirm with people who know me better that I mean that. Owning up to your errors and taking responsibility for them is a BIG thing that can make or break my respect and trust in someone.
Also, don't blow your full day handling this. Use some of it to actually rest, go for a walk, get away from the house and computer for a while. Being too close will hurt things more and make it harder. /stupidalmostsenpaimoment
(I am almost convinced, off topic, that you're probably a 5w6, aren't you?)
Post by Shun Minamoto on Sept 1, 2015 2:28:21 GMT -5
Your Enneagram isn't close, unfortunately, but it makes sense.
3w2
You've caught me, I'm an image-obsessed freak.
You're right, it can be said of me. I cannot prove genuine regret in an objective manner. If you find out how, let me know and I'll patent it for you and watch you become filthy rich.
Post by Colin Arascain on Sept 1, 2015 2:29:27 GMT -5
If you cared, you wouldn't have run that ridiculous smear campaign. You apologized because it made you look better. That entire post was deliberate, well-thought-out, with no mistakes or regrets. The distortions were far too frequent to be anything but intentional. Your contrition now helps your image, that's all.
Also hey, you should fix this so guests can't post. I'm mainly just posting to tell you that. You messed that up.
By the way? My post earlier in this topic was not referring to any kind of mental disorder. Nice deflection, though.
I know it bothers you that I can see through you. I'm guessing it always has. I'm sorry you can't live and let live, I've always been more than happy to, and if I really wanted I too could play the log game and pull up all sorts of shit and drag this out forever and ever but I really can't be fucked.
I know why I scare you. It's because the way you play your mind games with everyone else in this community, your little power plays and elitist games, have never fully worked on me. Mortals don't matter, is the party line? I did. I have. Without you. Quite content. With other people enjoying what I'm doing and looking up to me the way you like them to look up to you. And you've never been able to stand that. So you engineer circumstances to fire me, to change the game from the one I joined with the intent of causing me to quit, this entire fabrication.
Can't just live and let live.
Why anyone would even remotely care about other people enjoying themselves is a complete mystery to me. My brain doesn't work that way. I don't need to be on top. I don't need to put other people down.
That's all I want to say, Tova. I really will close the tab this time.
It happened with Hakuren and Oshime, I think you do have a problem with people challenging your authority Tova, but that's natural so it's cool. You have the keys to the site. Do what you want, it's easier for me if I just shrug and watch the cycle continue.
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Post by Colin Arascain on Sept 1, 2015 2:34:36 GMT -5
Actually hey wait no: I went to you for help and requested you make sure nothing negative happens for asking, and you chatbanned me, postmodded me, lied about me, and called me mentally ill.