Post by Jian Oreachi on Aug 29, 2015 20:32:50 GMT -5
Shit that isn't on the site should not be taken into account. If someone from the site is harassing you offsite? Block their ass and delete them. Congrats. Problem solved. It's easy to do and I can teach anyone who needs help how to do it.
If the harassment extends on to the site? Document. Screenshots, logs, etc. Date and time everything and hold on to it. Send it to staff if it becomes an issue.
Make sure, when you are talking to staff, you come in with a plan. What are you coming to them for, and what do you want the resolution to be? Do you want someone banned? why and are their actions enough to justify it? If not, what do you want and what are YOU as the player planning to do to help yourself to handle future conflict?
I was gonna say a thing but I wanna understand first, Why do you consider offsite harassment different than harassment that takes place in CB or the Forums proper? Or rather, why is it out of the scope of staff to deal with when its brought to us.
That said, coming up to us with a plan is a really good idea, even if its just 'I don't know if you are aware of this or not, please keep an eye on it.'
Post by Colin Arascain on Aug 29, 2015 20:48:37 GMT -5
Gotta be honest, if staff starts handing out official punishments for things said offsite, I'll bail. Conversations between me and other people are between me and them, not you. It's not only not your business, but you don't have the authority to police it, and I don't need to be concerned about the reaction of anyone but the person I'm talking to when I'm talking to them in a place that has nothing to do with you. You don't get to police every aspect of people's lives just because they post on a board you're responsible for.
Everyone needs to carefully decide who they want to associate with through offsite forms of communication. If you feel that someone is harassing you there, it's very easy to block and delete them and never have anything to do with it ever again.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Aug 29, 2015 20:52:57 GMT -5
I suppose my extreme example was, if we have a member who runs around sexually harassing female members on skype, we wouldn't sit by because they can block them or because it happens offsite with a shrug and an oh well we can't do anything.
To say that we could, or would want to police all of every detail of your lives is nuts. But to say that we wouldn't ignore someone who was made upset by someones conduct off site, that we would ignore it with a broadsweeping 'well don't interact with them' doesn't feel right when they bring it, specifically, to us? That seems silly.
I feel we're considering two extremes of this though.
Post by Consequence on Aug 29, 2015 20:53:28 GMT -5
Everyone needs to carefully decide who they want to associate with through offsite forms of communication. If you feel that someone is harassing you there, it's very easy to block and delete them and never have anything to do with it ever again.
Going forward, this is the only reasonable approach. If someone is making a concerted effort to make your life difficult off site, because of your participation on BG, that's a very, very special case. Otherwise, private conversations on Skype are just that and nothing more: private.
However, do be aware, that just because it happened in Skype doesn't mean anyone is obligated to forget about it when they log on to BG (provided they know, obviously). I say that in general, not to anyone specifically. But I'd rather it be said than left assumed.
Post by Colin Arascain on Aug 29, 2015 20:56:53 GMT -5
I agree, Tokiyo, and I appreciate that you are on the same page. There should be social consequences for social actions. Offsite shit happens, and if you are a big enough ass, news of it will spread and people will refuse to associate you. That's going to happen regardless of anything staff does, and will probably happen even if staff tries to stop it from happening.
@jian: I'm entirely serious when I say that I feel this would invade my privacy to the point where I would very strongly consider leaving over it, and probably would. I can see how this might come across as 'but Colin you're just an asshole and want to harass people on Skype and be free from the consequences of it!' but that's not it at all and I don't even care enough to go into paragraphs explaining where I'm coming from.
The consequence of being an asshole offsite is being seen as an asshole, and that's a plenty big consequence.
Post by Jian Oreachi on Aug 29, 2015 20:58:06 GMT -5
@jian: I'm entirely serious when I say that I feel this would invade my privacy to the point where I would very strongly consider leaving over it, and probably would. I can see how this might come across as 'but Colin you're just an asshole and want to harass people on Skype and be free from the consequences of it!' but that's not it at all and I don't even care enough to go into paragraphs explaining where I'm coming from.
The consequence of being an asshole offsite is being seen as an asshole, and that's a plenty big consequence.
Toki actually said what I wanted to way better, and I apologize if this is the impression I gave. I didn't assume that at all and want to immediately backpedal all over my statements with the poor way I presented them.
Offsite stays offsite unless the subject of harassment continues in an onsite manner.
But the offsite = player/individual responsibility is to cut down on the number of "STAAAAAAFFF, KIRE'S A MEANIE MEAN PANTS AND SAID MY WAIFU IS SHIT ON SKYPE/AIM/ETC" coming in to staff for shit they can't do anything about due to it being outside site parameters even if it pertains to people on said site.
Make sense? xD I'm mobile and you can hit me up if need be.